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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by Nirvin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nirvin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 02:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Programming is better than math.

i = i+1 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Programming is better than math.</p>
<p>i = i+1 :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musicians, Mechanics, and Mathematicians by Shihab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shihab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the question still remains,  we start from scratch doing one thing at a time not all the three at a same period together, Modelling is important but at first you need to know how to build something ..i.e Get expert at your building tools than...You can learn Shapes to give whatever shape you want with your building tools ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the question still remains,  we start from scratch doing one thing at a time not all the three at a same period together, Modelling is important but at first you need to know how to build something ..i.e Get expert at your building tools than&#8230;You can learn Shapes to give whatever shape you want with your building tools ..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Advice for Getting Started with F# by Real world F#: my experience (part two) &#124; Index Out Of Range</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real world F#: my experience (part two) &#124; Index Out Of Range</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advice for getting started with F# by Richard Minerich An overview of functional programming by Dorian Corompt (recursion, lists, more to come…) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Advice for getting started with F# by Richard Minerich An overview of functional programming by Dorian Corompt (recursion, lists, more to come…) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by Real world F#: my experience (part one) &#124; Index Out Of Range</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real world F#: my experience (part one) &#124; Index Out Of Range</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heartily agree with Richard Minerich when he says that testing does not replace a strong, theoretically-validated model. It’s the very same reason that pushed me to build most of this application’s engine on paper [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] heartily agree with Richard Minerich when he says that testing does not replace a strong, theoretically-validated model. It’s the very same reason that pushed me to build most of this application’s engine on paper [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musicians, Mechanics, and Mathematicians by OJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>OJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Richard. It certainly gets you thinking.

I think that most people would happily go through their lives not thinking about this stuff at all. Most people don&#039;t even realise that math has a relevance to music, nor do they have a clue at the engineering, modelling and math that goes on behind the scenes with something as &quot;simple&quot; as a screw, nut or wrench is produced.

Consumers are often mindless when it comes to this kind of thing.

Would I want to buy something that wasn&#039;t properly tested and modelled? Absolutely not. But I think the vast majority wouldn&#039;t think twice about it unless they knew that the models existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Richard. It certainly gets you thinking.</p>
<p>I think that most people would happily go through their lives not thinking about this stuff at all. Most people don&#8217;t even realise that math has a relevance to music, nor do they have a clue at the engineering, modelling and math that goes on behind the scenes with something as &#8220;simple&#8221; as a screw, nut or wrench is produced.</p>
<p>Consumers are often mindless when it comes to this kind of thing.</p>
<p>Would I want to buy something that wasn&#8217;t properly tested and modelled? Absolutely not. But I think the vast majority wouldn&#8217;t think twice about it unless they knew that the models existed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by Musicians, Mechanics, and Mathematicians &#171; Inviting Epiphany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Musicians, Mechanics, and Mathematicians &#171; Inviting Epiphany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you all for your comments on my previous post, I appreciate the time you all took in sharing your perspectives very much.  Many of you have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you all for your comments on my previous post, I appreciate the time you all took in sharing your perspectives very much.  Many of you have [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by OTOH&#8230; &#124; Technology News</title>
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		<dc:creator>OTOH&#8230; &#124; Technology News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I cringe when most programmers call themselves &quot;engineers&quot;. The bulk of them are only a &quot;software engineer&quot; or &quot;computer engineer&quot; the way that a janitor is a &quot;sanitary engineer&quot; — which is to say, only when the word is treated as being synonymous with &quot;technician&quot;.

Actual software engineering involves the same sorts of things that any other form of engineering does, just in forms that are applicable to the domain. Things such as studying existing software to find its structure, then extrapolating from available data what the likely failure points are going to be when it is put under loads of various sorts.

That requires a deep enough understanding of the algorithms and fundamental math to have a solid grasp on what is going on, but also having the knowledge of how actual systems &quot;in reality&quot; — as opposed to a in a pure model — behave, including nasty little problems that pure math tends to hand-wave such as &quot;you ran into an I/O bottleneck&quot;.

The goal of all of that being the ability to answer questions such as &quot;how gracefully does it degrade under load?&quot;, &quot;are there any severe inflection points in the curve?&quot;, and &quot;at what point does it just fall over and die (for any practical purpose)?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I cringe when most programmers call themselves &#8220;engineers&#8221;. The bulk of them are only a &#8220;software engineer&#8221; or &#8220;computer engineer&#8221; the way that a janitor is a &#8220;sanitary engineer&#8221; — which is to say, only when the word is treated as being synonymous with &#8220;technician&#8221;.</p>
<p>Actual software engineering involves the same sorts of things that any other form of engineering does, just in forms that are applicable to the domain. Things such as studying existing software to find its structure, then extrapolating from available data what the likely failure points are going to be when it is put under loads of various sorts.</p>
<p>That requires a deep enough understanding of the algorithms and fundamental math to have a solid grasp on what is going on, but also having the knowledge of how actual systems &#8220;in reality&#8221; — as opposed to a in a pure model — behave, including nasty little problems that pure math tends to hand-wave such as &#8220;you ran into an I/O bottleneck&#8221;.</p>
<p>The goal of all of that being the ability to answer questions such as &#8220;how gracefully does it degrade under load?&#8221;, &#8220;are there any severe inflection points in the curve?&#8221;, and &#8220;at what point does it just fall over and die (for any practical purpose)?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by asdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Programs are games. In as much as game theory is math (kinda yes, kinda no), programming is math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Programs are games. In as much as game theory is math (kinda yes, kinda no), programming is math.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do most programmers work so hard at pretending that they&#8217;re not doing math? by Algorithmic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Algorithmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On honor as an Engineer, I&#039;ve always cringe when I read about programmers calling themselves Engineers but refuse to touch Math. Granted, engr is hardly all about math, and also about process design, logic, and project management, but we should embrace Math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On honor as an Engineer, I&#8217;ve always cringe when I read about programmers calling themselves Engineers but refuse to touch Math. Granted, engr is hardly all about math, and also about process design, logic, and project management, but we should embrace Math.</p>
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